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  1. matt sexton

    I can’t find a shooting script for DETOUR. I am putting together a new version and would like to find the shortened shooting script. Anybody know where one may be? I can’t even find one to buy.

  2. Hi Matt. Sorry I can’t help you directly, but I suggest you contact Wade Williams, who made the 1992 re-make using the original 1942 shooting script. Williams’ contact details should be available from IMDB Pro.

  3. steve

    edward g ulmer is an unsung hero of “low budget” folmmakers. he did over 125 films including MOON OVER HARLEM 1943 made in an astonishing 4 days. MOON OVER HARLEM was a “race film” and ulmer was one of the few directors that treated black actors as equal people with dignity and hubris unlike the studios who gave us mantan moreland and steppin fetchit. as a director, ulmer is a hero of mine because even though he proved again and again he could do well in low budget he was never given a big deal but continue to work and has been considered by many as visionary as WELLES himself

  4. Hey DeeDee. Thanks for the link to this article. Assuming the writer has accurately reported Professor Pippin’s lecture there are couple issues:

    1. Kathie does not stab Jeff in the groin (!) in Out of the Past. She shoots him and the shot goes down into Jeff’s body. We don’t knew exactly where – the gun is aimed down only after Jeff has pushed Kathie’s hand down in their struggle – she was aiming for his chest.

    2. Professor Pippin has said nothing new. Moreover he has ignored an important dichotomy surrounding fatalism in Hollywood noir. Yes, a chance event can ineluctably determine a protagonist’s fate, but also a choice made by a protagonist can have fatal consequences no matter what he or she does subsequently. This is an important distinction.

    In Detour, Al seals his fate when he steals Haskell’s car and does not report the natural/accidental death to the cops. So my comment re Detour “The story of a guy so dumb he blames fate for the consequences of his own foolishness” stands.

    As for Out of the Past, the fatal consequence is triggered only when Jeff chooses to go off with Kathie in the first reel. The past Jeff cannot escape was triggered by his own action.

  5. DeeDee

    “Tony said,”Kathie does not stab Jeff in the groin (!) in Out of the Past. She shoots him and the shot goes down into Jeff’s body. We don’t know exactly where – the gun is aimed down only after Jeff has pushed Kathie’s hand down in their struggle – she was aiming for his chest.”
    :oops:
    I must admit that was a “fatal mistake”on the Professor behalf…Because the question now to ask oneself is did he actually watch the film?!?
    (I’am quite sure that he (Professor Pippin) did watch the film Out Of The Past.
    I think that he just made a honest mistake…hopefully!)(By the way, over there on my Ning, I linked back to this post and questioned
    the Professor’s response to the film Out Of The Past.)

    Tony said,”Professor Pippin has said nothing new. Moreover he has ignored an important dichotomy surrounding fatalism in Hollywood noir. Yes, a chance event can ineluctably determine a protagonist’s fate, but also a choice made by a protagonist can have fatal consequences no matter what he or she does subsequently. This is an important distinction.”

    I agree with your quote that I have quoted above wholeheartedly. Now, with that being said…That is the reality, but the “fantasy” of the matter is…

    In Detour, Al seals his fate when he steals Haskell’s car and does not report the natural/accidental death to the cops. So my comment re Detour “The story of a guy so dumb he blames fate for the consequences of his own foolishness” stands.
    As for Out of the Past, the fatal consequence is triggered only when Jeff chooses to go off with Kathie in the first reel. The past Jeff cannot escape was triggered by his own action.

    If both men (and even actress Claire Trevor, in Born To Kill…She could have easily called the police and reported the murders that she stumbled upon, but instead, she hung-up the telephone and went to San Francisco?!?…a “hot lead” could have easily led to actor Lawrence Tierney’s character, but instead, she lead the trail run “cold” until he create havoc in her life.) would have did the right thing there would not have been a reason to continue the story. Therefore, I think that their actions is what set the catalyst in motion.
    (In other words, if all the characters in film noir did the “right” thing the stories would have ended in less than 5 or 10 minutes.

    DeeDee :wink: :smile:

  6. Certainly DeeDee in noir making a wrong or unwise decision has fatal consequences, and this is the point I am making. But remember also that an innocent action can have fatal consequences – take poor Frank Bigelow in DOA for example…

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